r/Lyme • • Dec 31 '24

Mod Post Chronic Lyme Q&A - What To Do When Symptoms Don't Improve

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Hello everyone,

Over the course of 2024, I’ve been tracking the most frequently asked questions from those new to the chronic Lyme community. To provide clear and reliable answers, I’ve compiled insights from leading Lyme experts—including ILADS, LLMD's like Dr. Horowitz or Marty Ross, and online resources like LymeDisease.org—along with thoughtful contributions from the most consistent and knowledgeable members here on r/Lyme.

While the wiki already contains a wealth of valuable information, I believe a concise collection of the most popular questions and answers will benefit everyone. This resource aims to streamline the support available in this forum, making it easier for newcomers to find the help they need.

The resource will be located here, at the top of the main Wiki page. The rest of the Wiki is of course still active and can be found here.

On desktop, there will be a table of contents at the top where you can click each question and it will automatically bring you to the answer. Unfortunately, Reddit has not enabled this function on it's mobile app, so you will need to scroll through the entire page to find the question you are looking for. I separated each question out with line breaks, so hopefully it won't be too hard to navigate on mobile.

I’m confident in the quality of the information provided here, with over 30 Microsoft Word pages of detailed content ensuring comprehensive coverage.

If you are brand new to r/Lyme please read question 20 so you know how to interact appropriately in this space and if you're interested in reading my (admittedly insanely passionate) deep dive into alternative treatments, be sure to check out Question 18.

I hope this resource proves as helpful as I’ve intended it to be. If you have any additional questions you believe should be added or have additional insights to the current answers, please comment below.

Here is the list of current questions:

  1. What is chronic Lyme?

  2. I’m still sick with symptoms after treatment, what should I do first?

  3. I see people commenting that LLMDs are a scam and they are trying to take advantage of you for profit. How do I know who to trust?

  4. I can’t afford an LLMD, what else can I do?

  5. Why is there so much conflicting information?

  6. Can Lyme disease develop resistance to antibiotics?

  7. What is the timeline to get better?

  8. I’m getting worse/feel weird while taking antibiotics or herbals, is it not working?

  9. My stomach is upset when taking doxycycline, what should I do?

  10. What diet should I eat, and does it matter?

  11. Should I retest after I finish my course of antibiotics?

  12. My doctor doesn’t believe that Chronic Lyme exists. What can I show him to prove that it does?

  13. I’ve seen people say IGENEX is not a reliable lab. Is this true?

  14. I have a negative test but some positive bands on my western blot test. Every doctor is telling me it’s a negative and can’t be Lyme.

  15. Is Lymescience.org a legit website?

  16. People have said there is no evidence showing efficacy of long-term antibiotics for chronic Lyme. Is this true?

  17. The cdc says people with “post treatment Lyme” get better after 6 months without additional treatment, is that true?

  18. I’ve heard people say alternative treatments (Herbals, Rife, Homeopathy, Ozone, Bee Venom etc.) are pseudoscience? Is that true?

  19. I’ve heard supplements and herbs are poorly regulated and I shouldn’t take them because I don’t know for sure what’s in them.

  20. How to use r/Lyme and online forums in general


r/Lyme • • Dec 17 '23

Mod Post Just Bit? **Read This**

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Welcome to r/Lyme! This post is a general overview of Lyme disease and guidelines for people who have just been bitten by a tick.

Disclaimer: This is for educational purposes only and is not intended to be medical advice. Please seek the help of a medical professional if necessary.

What is Lyme Disease?

Lyme disease is the most common vector-borne illness in the U.S., caused by Borrelia burgdorferi and Borrelia mayonii. It’s usually transmitted by blacklegged ticks (also known as deer ticks).

Early symptoms include:

  • Fever
  • Headache
  • Fatigue
  • Erythema migrans (bullseye rash) – note: up to 60% of people never develop a rash

If untreated, the infection can spread to the heart, joints, and nervous system, potentially leading to chronic illness and long-term complications.

What to Do If You Were Just Bitten

1. Test the Tick (if you still have it)
Send it to: https://www.tickcheck.com/
This identifies which infections the tick carried and can guide treatment decisions. If you no longer have the tick, just move on to the next steps.

2. Check for a Bullseye Rash
If you're unsure what it looks like, see this guide:
https://www.reddit.com/r/lyme/wiki/diagnostics/identify/

Important: If you have a bullseye rash, you have Lyme disease. No further testing is needed. Start treatment.

3. Review the ILADS Treatment Guidelines
https://www.ilads.org/patient-care/ilads-treatment-guidelines/

Summary of ILADS recommendations:

  • If bitten but asymptomatic: 20 days of doxycycline is recommended (assuming no contraindications)
  • If rash or symptoms are present: 4–6 weeks of doxycycline, amoxicillin, or cefuroxime is recommended

Why ILADS and Not CDC/IDSA Guidelines?

This is one of the most important parts of understanding Lyme treatment. The CDC and IDSA guidelines are still followed by the majority of U.S. physicians, but they are deeply flawed and outdated in several key ways.

Here’s why ILADS guidelines are preferred by most Lyme-literate doctors and patients:

1. They rely on incomplete or irrelevant data
The CDC/IDSA recommendations are based heavily on European studies, even though the strains of Lyme in Europe (B. afzelii, B. garinii) are different from those in the U.S. (B. burgdorferi). This matters because treatment responses can vary between strains.

Of the studies referenced in CDC guidelines:

  • Only 6 U.S. trials were used to form the treatment tables
  • Many tables relied exclusively on European data
  • Duration recommendations were based on trials with high failure or dropout rates

For example:

  • One U.S. study had a 49% dropout rate (Wormser et al.)
  • Another had a 36% failure rate, with many needing retreatment

Yet these studies are used to support recommendations of just 10–14 days of antibiotics.

2. They ignore patient-centered outcomes
The CDC guidelines focus primarily on eliminating the rash (erythema migrans), not on whether the patient actually recovers or regains quality of life.

The ILADS guidelines, on the other hand, emphasize:

  • Return to pre-Lyme health status
  • Prevention of long-term symptoms
  • Patient quality of life
  • Lower rates of relapse and re-infection

CDC-based treatment often leaves people partially treated and still symptomatic, leading to chronic illness.

3. Their recommended durations are too short
The CDC recommends:

  • 10 days of doxycycline
  • 14 days of amoxicillin or cefuroxime

These durations are often not enough, especially if the bacteria have already spread beyond the skin. ILADS argues—and research supports—that longer treatment courses are more effective at fully clearing the infection, especially in the early stages when treatment is most critical.

4. High failure rates in real-world outcomes
Studies show that even patients treated under CDC protocols continue to experience symptoms months later. For instance:

A 2013 observational study found that 33% of EM patients still had symptoms 6 months after a standard 21-day course of doxycycline:
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11136-012-0126-6

Conclusion: ILADS guidelines are based on more recent evidence, use better clinical metrics (like symptom resolution), and are tailored to reflect the real-world experiences of Lyme patients in the U.S.

For a detailed breakdown and sources:
https://www.mdpi.com/2079-6382/10/7/754#B15-antibiotics-10-00754

Recommended Treatment Durations

  • Mild cases (e.g. one EM rash): Minimum 20 days of doxycycline, amoxicillin, or cefuroxime
  • More severe cases (multiple rashes, neuro symptoms): 4–6 weeks of antibiotics
  • Still symptomatic after treatment? Re-treatment is supported by 7 of 8 U.S. trials

Getting Treatment

Many doctors are still unfamiliar with ILADS protocols and may only offer 10–21 days of antibiotics.

Here’s what you can do:

  • Bring a printout of the ILADS guidelines
  • Be firm but respectful—explain why longer treatment matters
  • If refused, monitor your symptoms and seek further care if needed
  • Be prepared to advocate for yourself—many people with Lyme had to

If you continue to have symptoms, you may need to see a Lyme-literate medical doctor (LLMD):
https://www.reddit.com/r/lyme/wiki/treatment/doctors/

Testing

Testing can be useful, but it has major limitations:

  • Antibody tests are unreliable in the first 4–6 weeks
  • Negative test does not rule out Lyme
  • The CDC two-tiered system was developed for diagnosing Lyme arthritis, not other types of presentations like neurological or psychiatric symptoms

More info:

Best labs (not usually covered by insurance):

If you’re just starting out, a basic Lyme panel from LabCorp or Quest is a good first step—50% of true Lyme cases may still test positive and it’s cheaper than specialty labs.

The specialty tests listed above with co-infection panels are mostly recommended for people who have had symptoms for months or years without treatment and regular doctors are unable to figure out what is wrong.

More testing info:
https://www.reddit.com/r/lyme/wiki/diagnostics/testing/

Additional questions:

Don’t hesitate to make a post explaining your situation.
This community is full of people who’ve been through the same thing—and want to help.

Many of us were misdiagnosed for years.
The purpose of this sub is to prevent others from going through the same experience.

Don’t be afraid to speak up, advocate for yourself, and push for better care.


r/Lyme • • 3h ago

Question Is Cryptolepine toxic in the doses Buhner recommends Cryptolepis?

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Hi, all. Hope you're having a better day today )

I have all three Bs - Borrelia, Bart and Bab.

The other day I've seen some MD student talking about their possible Lyme infection and in the same thread rejecting recommendation about Cryptolepis because "Cryptolepine is toxic". I have zero trust in regular MD's knowledge about Lyme and co. treatment but wanted to ask just in case because Buhner recommends some seriously high doses of Crypto.

I'm taking Crypto now and slowly increasing dose. It IS working already but don't want to sabotage my detox systems by potentially toxic dose. Any reasoned advice is welcome.


r/Lyme • • 10h ago

Image I’ve been trying a Rife machine

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Has anyone here used a BCX ULTRA Deluxe?

I was fortunate enough to have a family member lend me one to try, so I didn’t have to commit to buying one!

Unfortunately, I haven’t noticed a thing. The protocol he used was just for Lyme, but he added programs for Babesia and Bartonella specifically for me. I stuck with the Lyme protocol for a bit, and now I’ve moved on to the Babesia program in hopes that it would do something, but I still haven’t noticed any difference. No herxing or feeling better. I’m going to keep at it, but I’m pretty bummed!

His Lyme protocol helped him heal in 3 months, and he regained all the abilities he had lost!


r/Lyme • • 14h ago

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Hello! Just wanted to share an update, more for myself than anyone here lol!

Today I’ve started azithromycin! I’m hoping I’ll be able to tolerate it and then be able to add in some other meds to hit Babesia hard. The picture is my “med cart.” I have ginger chews and slices, antacids, slippery elm, binders, electrolytes, prunes (iykyk😂), applesauce, NSAIDs, and a couple of other things. This helps me feel equipped for however this antibiotic is going to treat my body!

Last week I had my Dr. appointment, and we discussed my Igenex and TLab results. Positive for Lyme and Babesia odocoilei! Bartonella is suspected, but for now, Babesia is the priority since it seems that the majority of my symptoms are from that, especially considering the severity of this species.

Background: I have been off treatment since about mid-2025 due to MCAS reactions. I tried some herbs and ozone in 2024/early 2025, and I was beyond a mess, so I decided to find a new Dr. since I was rapidly declining. I know that treatment is hard because of herxing, but I could hardly eat enough, digest, sleep, stay hydrated, etc.

Fast forward to this year, and my current Dr. has been very helpful with getting my body to a more predictable and calm place. We did go on several side quests to figure out if there were other things contributing to my body’s dysfunction, and there were a couple of things, but I think I’m in a good place to try treatment again! I believe the break was hugely important for me. We’ve been working to manage inflammation/oxidative stress, my gut is in better shape, and I am able to eat what I need. Even though my sleep isn’t perfect, I am able to sleep 10+ hours. I believe these are some of the “pillars” of healing.

Trigger warning: suicide mentioned

During treatment with my first Dr., I was so under-supported that I became extremely suicidal. Every day, for months, I was like a corpse in body and mind. It completely unwound me as a person, and it was brutal on my mind just as much as my body. I think I went through an ego death. It was hell and truly has scarred me.
There were so many nights when I could barely breathe, my heart was beating out of my chest, and I could barely leave my bed. When I would finally fall asleep, the nightmares were horrific. I would sit in the shower and sob uncontrollably. And it’s a little embarrassing to admit, but at one point I even started regressing to sucking my thumb. I think that will need to get unpacked by a professional at some point in my life LOL. Nonetheless, it was extremely traumatizing.

End trigger warning.

So let’s hope that this is a step in the right direction toward killing these parasites and bacteria!!


r/Lyme • • 11h ago

Bartonella and Babesia

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Hi everyone!

After 8 and a half years, I have finally been diagnosed with the conditions I have been suffering from.
I tested positive for Bartonella, Babesia, and Borrelia.
Over the past several years, I have seen around 30 doctors and undergone numerous tests and blood tests before finally getting these results.

My symptoms started when I was 17. I am now 26.
From the very beginning, my symptoms have included brain fog and a constant feeling of not being fully sober, as if I were in an altered state of consciousness. I have difficulty concentrating. The most disturbing symptom is that my mind never stops racing. It feels like a radio that is constantly playing inside my head. I simply cannot find any mental silence, and I have no control over it.

I am fully aware of my thoughts, and it is similar to the way you normally think or imagine things, such as conversations or situations. The difference is that it happens continuously and involuntarily, and I cannot control it or make it stop.
I also have several visual symptoms. When I look at the sky or at a white wall or sheet of paper, I constantly see floating spots in my field of vision, along with persistent visual sparkles. My eyes are sensitive to light, and when I am exposed to bright light, my eyelids quickly become fatigued and feel heavier, making my eyes appear more bulging.
I experience derealization, as if I were trapped inside myself, inside my own head, and unable to get out. I also have a strange sensation of something physically missing or absent inside my head, particularly in the back right-hand side.

I have been in an extremely withdrawn, inward-focused state for almost nine years, and I cannot seem to break out of it.
I have constant back pain. My back is extremely stiff, and I have inflammation around my vertebrae. I feel physically weak, and my entire body feels heavy. For years, I have felt that whenever I am out somewhere, such as when travelling on a bus, I need to sit down because I feel so weak.
Every 20–30 minutes, when I turn or change position, my chest cracks and pops, sometimes producing a sound that resembles something tearing.
It feels as though all of this is draining everything out of me, leaving me completely depleted of energy. My condition gets worse and I become weaker with each passing year.

I am constantly struggling with severe depression. It takes an enormous amount of effort every day just to keep myself going. I have not been able to work for the past six months because I currently do not have the strength to do so.
I also experience shortness of breath and a constant sensation of not getting enough oxygen.
My dopamine levels feel extremely low. It feels as though my brain is inflamed, and my body is constantly tense. I find it very difficult to relax.
According to my doctor, Bartonella and Babesia are responsible for my symptoms. I do not have the typical symptoms of Lyme disease.

Is there anyone in this group who experiences or has experienced these same or similar symptoms?
I have been taking rifampicin and doxycycline for two months. This is my first course of treatment.
Since starting treatment, I have completely cut out sugar and quit smoking. I really feel the absence of cigarettes. Smoking was practically the only thing I looked forward to during the day. My dopamine levels feel extremely low, and, strangely enough, when I used to smoke, I experienced less of that sensation of not getting enough oxygen.

Could you please help me figure out which supplements are worth taking alongside my medication? I bought lumbrokinase to help break down biofilms, and I am planning to try methylene blue as well.
I have also purchased the following supplements:
Cryptolepis sanguinolenta drops
Glutathione
NAC (N-acetylcysteine)
Takesumi Supreme (bamboo charcoal)
Magnesium L-threonate
Magnesium L-theanine

What else could I take that would be particularly important or beneficial? I would really appreciate any recommendations, especially based on personal experience.

Thank you so much for your help!


r/Lyme • • 1h ago

Hm

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Anyone with Lyme get muscle fasiculations in their head?? Feels like they are right by the temple


r/Lyme • • 18h ago

26F 1.5 Years Post Lyme; Tired and in Pain

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Hi everyone,

I had my initial Lyme infection about a year and a half ago. I was hiking in western NY and never saw a tick. A couple weeks later, a bunch of symptoms had started to appear. My neck could hardly move, my joints were swollen and painful, it was hard to walk, and I had bullseye rashes all over my body. I was very active and fit, and in a challenging doctoral program. I treated the infection with doxycycline for 2 weeks. I started to feel much better.

Unfortunately, I have still not made a full recovery and am increasingly discouraged by ongoing symptoms. My neck and back are still in almost constant pain that radiates down my side/ ribcage. My joints are achy and I am incredibly fatigued. I just don’t feel like myself. I am much less active because of this, although I still try to exercise a couple times a week.

I am just wondering if anyone has had a similar experience or has any encouragement/ hope to share. I’m frustrated by the pain, and I find that nothing helps long term. Massages are great but within a couple days I am uncomfortable again. Same with yoga or stretching. Thank you for listening!


r/Lyme • • 20h ago

Question Alpha Lipoic Acid?

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Anyone use this for nerve and vascular pain?? I’m seriously getting desperate.


r/Lyme • • 18h ago

Such bad pain

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Sleeping or naps. Whenever I wake up briefly in the night or the morning or even from a nap, my hands feel so swollen and painful, and my joints hurt in my wrists. I'm not sure if my hands aren't receiving blood flow or what. I've noticed my oxygen says it goes down to 93 ish when napping / asleep not sure if that's connected. Anyone experience this pain?


r/Lyme • • 22h ago

Dr refusing to do further testing and won’t refer me to a LLMD

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ELISA tests keep coming back negative. Dr refused to do a western blot. I’m lost as to what to do. No one is believing me. I want my life back. I can’t even hold down a job in the condition I’m in. Should I go to urgent care?


r/Lyme • • 15h ago

Question Post treatment Lyme symptoms and new Moderna MRNA Covid vaccine

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I was infected with Lyme in 2015 and have dealt with PTLS since then. I have gotten the Covid vaccine several times over the years with little to no problems. A few weeks ago I got the new Moderna MNRA spike vaccine and it has been kicking my butt with upper body muscle pain. Anyone else?


r/Lyme • • 22h ago

Question Negative Igenex?

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Im not sure where to go from here. I have almost all the symptoms of lyme and some of babesia/bart but my whole igenex panel is negative. ive had some symptoms starting 10years ago with them gradually getting worse/getting new ones the past five years. Is there any other way to know? I was almost certain it was lyme but could it be false negative?


r/Lyme • • 16h ago

Constantly cold with chills

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r/Lyme • • 17h ago

Question questiona regarding ME/CFS,Lyme,babesia ,Mold ,EBV and Sars Cov 2 spike interpretation

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Hey everyone,

Just got some new Labcorp results back and wanted to hear from others dealing with Lyme, Babesia, ME/CFS or mold-related illness.

I've had ME/CFS for 1several years, but over the past couple of months I've been feeling increasingly sick, almost like I'm being poisoned, even in environments where I previously felt better.

My October 21, 2026 lab results:

Lyme:

IgM Western blot: POSITIVE

Bands 23, 39 and 41: All present

IgG Western blot: NEGATIVE (all 10 bands absent)

Lyme Total Antibody CIA screening: NEGATIVE

Other findings:

Babesia microti IgG: <1:10 (negative)

Previous Babesia microti IgM: Positive through IGeneX, with negative IgG

EBV Early Antigen IgG: Persistently >150 (reference 0–8.9)

SARS-CoV-2 Spike Antibody: 783 U/mL (negative <0.8)

I've never received a COVID vaccine, although I understand previous natural infection can explain positive spike antibodies

A little about my health

I have ME/CFS with significant post-exertional malaise, cognitive impairment, dizziness, unrefreshing sleep, MCAS and environmental sensitivities.

I also have fatty liver, with a FibroScan CAP score around 320 and liver stiffness of 5.1 kPa.

I've spent considerable time experimenting with different environments because certain buildings, HVAC systems and chemicals seem to make me much worse.

I frequently wake up feeling extremely sick, almost poisoned.

Previously, spending time outdoors around good outdoor locations provided some relief Arizona.tjouth still very limited

But over the last couple of months, even previously tolerable outdoor environments haven't been providing the same relief. My sick building symptoms and overall malaise seem to be getting progressively worse.

I'm wondering whether something systemic, possibly infectious or immune-related, could be contributing.

A few questions:

Has anyone had all three Lyme IgM bands positive while IgG and the screening test remained negative? Did further testing clarify things?

Anyone with Babesia IgM-positive/IgG-negative results who eventually confirmed or ruled out infection?

Has anyone with ME/CFS, Lyme or Babesia experienced worsening poisoned feelings, mold/chemical sensitivities or reduced tolerance of previously helpful outdoor environments?

I understand these antibody results don't necessarily establish active infection, particularly with longstanding symptoms.

But given how much worse I've been feeling lately, I'm trying to figure out whether I'm overlooking something potentially treatable.

Would really appreciate hearing about others' experiences, including what testing or treatments helped clarify things

Thanks, everyone

Positive Lyme IgM (all 3 bands), negative IgG, Babesia history, elevated EBV and worsening ME/CFS symptoms.

Anyone experienced something similar?

Thank you


r/Lyme • • 18h ago

Lyme Rescue

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Curious if anyone here has been? https://lymerescue.org/ If you think its snake oil i dont want to hear it...lol

I spoke with them today and it has me VERY curious. Biggest problem is, it isnt that close...


r/Lyme • • 19h ago

pau d arco

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Hey!

Has anyone taken Pau D arco? And how was your experience?


r/Lyme • • 20h ago

Artemisinin/primaquine and rifampicin

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Do I need to take more? Did anyone's Dr give them either of these when on rifampicin (I'm self treating)


r/Lyme • • 23h ago

Question I think I got bit by a tick Spoiler

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so I had felt this bump on my side and thought it was a misquote bite because I got bite like 4 times and it felt like a scab so I thought it was a scab from itching so the scab wouldn’t come of so i grabbed it with my finger nail and pulled hard and I thought it was just a huge scab because i pulled hard yesterday when i went to bed I found a dead tick on the blanket then thought that what i pulled off. i try to take the best picture i could it’s bright red now and sore but is this a tick bite.


r/Lyme • • 23h ago

Rash after two weeks of stopping doxycycline.

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r/Lyme • • 1d ago

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Hello, so I have the same issue as two years ago with sweating, I've been on treatment for a month and I wake up with sweaty hands and feet (hyperhidrosis), I'm attaching a photo of my hand, I have this upon waking up and at any time during the day, could it also be a way of toxins coming out through there ? And I've been feeling very hot internally ++ , malaise , these past few days with a bit of loss of appetite, sometimes nausea.

My relapse symptoms are still : POTS, feeling spaced out / disconnected, fatigue, body temperature dysregulation

Can I still continue my treatment ? Azithro/Mepron/Arakoda ?


r/Lyme • • 1d ago

Allicin herx or reaction

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If you're taking zhang allicin and experience cognitive symptoms, mood swings, sinus discharge and GI cramping, is it always die off? Oh and random very small rash.

Could it also just be a reaction to the supplement? In particular wondering because no fever. Herbs almost always produced a fever during die-off previously.

How do you differentiate between die-off and reaction to allicin.


r/Lyme • • 1d ago

Question Babesia and dizziness?

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r/Lyme • • 1d ago

It’s always 2 steps forward 1 step back. I’m losing hope.

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I literally don’t know how much longer I can take of this. The physical nerve pain that comes and goes is filling me with so much fucking rage I could scream. I’ve been doing this for over a year now and been on herbs since March. I FINALLY started getting consistent relief in August. Then had a small bout of symptoms/pain return in September then dissipated again. Now it’s been back again for almost two weeks I literally want to scream. It’s present from the moment I wake ip to the moment I go to sleep. Last few months it seems to coincide with the luteal phase of my cycle. Starts on day of ovulation and lasts for however long it wants to. I literally feel like my period is keeping me in a fucking prison and stirs up all my symptoms every time and lowers my emotional capacity to handle it too.

I feel so fucking depressed. I want to scream at my TCM that I wanted to see results much sooner by now. This isn’t fucking fair. I just wanna live my fucking life. It literally feels like it’s never going to go away.


r/Lyme • • 1d ago

Support Any good chronic health/lyme specialists on the east coast that either work with insurance or are actually affordable?

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Have had lyme most my life now. In my late 30s and have had chronic lyme for 20+ years. I actually pretty much ignore it since my symptoms are mostly chronic fatigue and GI issues. I cant say 100% it is lyme at this point but whatever is also wrecks with my life in other ways.

Im curious if there are any doctors out there that could be worth seeing. I stopped bothering with LLMD's ages ago cause theyre either too expensive or another half of them are a bit on the kooky side of things- anyone who does stuff like muscle testing i dont even want to bother with.

That said- anyone know anyone that might fit the bill here?

Thanks