r/mantids • • Jan 07 '20

Enclosure Advice PSA: Exo-terras, metal mesh and your mantises toes! (and some advice on how to DIY an affordable enclosure)

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I was asked to make this post in another thread - so here I am. Here's a PSA on what metal mesh does to your mantises feet, and why it should be avoided!

This is a raptorial arm, (the front, grasping arms) but the segment we're interested in is the same on all of their legs. The little portion labelled "Tarsus" is what we're looking at here. You can see that it ends in a set of hooks - often (somewhat confusingly) called "Claws" - these tarsal claws are what give your mantis the ability to walk upside down on surfaces that appear quite smooth to us, and why it feels kind of spiky when a large mantis walks on your skin. They're essential for your mantis to move around, and most importantly moult properly! Differences in the morphology of this structure also give some mantises the ability to walk on glass, whilst others can't.

If you go and look at one of your mantises feet, you will likely be able to see the little hooks now you know what you're looking for. Now the problem is that some tank setups that are commonly recommended damage these hooks, which results in mantises having trouble moving around, and falling whilst they moult.

Exo-terra tanks are very commonly used because a lot of us have other inverts or exotic pets and have spares lying around, or they're sold to us at petstores. They make nice display tanks and are easy to clean. However - the mesh at the top of exo-terra tanks is made of very fine metal, and the holes themselves are very small. This is essentially like you trying to hang by your toes from chickenwire, eventually your toes are going to be pretty damaged, or come off altogether! If you must use an exo-terra, it's essential that the mesh is changed to stop this from occurring. Plastic tulle mesh is easily available and works as an excellent substitute.

There is also a multitude of DIY options available, which I will detail bellow:

Basic requirements for all enclosures:

  • All mantis enclosures must be at least three times the length of the mantis (Don't get fooled by the abdomen curling up, you still need to account for it) and two times the width.
  • There must be something for the mantis to hang securely from at the top of the tank - They will spend 99% of their time at the highest point, and will often moult from it.
  • Substrate - options for suitable substrate are numerous, you can use simple tissue paper, cocoa coir, vermiculite, perlite etc. The object is to hold some moisture and make it easy for you to clean. Cheap and cheerful is the way to go, unless you're making a planted display tank or something like that.
  • The less decoration the better. Decoration is more for our benefit than theirs; before you add something decorative to a tank, consider your reasons for adding it. Practicality should always take precedent over a tank looking nice!
  • Ventilation - ventilation is important for hygiene reasons.

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Nymphs

  • Cups

The absolute single best enclosure for a nymph of any species, is simply a plastic deli cup with the lid cut out to accommodate some plastic mesh, and a single twig placed diagonally. Alternately, you can just use an elastic band to hold the mesh on. For feeding, simply cut a hole in the side and stuff it with some sponge to stop live food or your mantis escaping, you can pooter in the food. (if you don't have a pooter you should get one, especially if dealing with fruitflies, they're also very easy to DIY)

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  • Cricket/livefood tubs

The tubs that livefood is commonly sold in make excellent tanks with some modification, especially for larger nymphs, and even small adults. The more rigid ones are the best, as they're easily cut to allow the insertion of mesh, and can be stood up tall-ways. The entire lid can be cut out and replaced with mesh, which provides excellent ventilation, and is nice for the mantis to move around on.

Adults

  • Plastic penny sweet jars (Sorry Americans I have no idea what these would be called in your country)
  • Tupperware/food containers
  • Storage containers

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All can be modified in the same ways as above. I will either append this post, or make an additional post, detailing how to make a suitable enclosure using the items above with pictures in future.

These enclosures are all very cheap to construct, and even the most DIY averse person can make the modifications necessary to turn them into good enclosures. They also have the benefit of being mostly recycled items a lot of us will already possess.

Another benefit to using tanks mostly constructed of mesh is that it prevents mantises from developing "eye-rub" - this is damage to their eyes from repeatedly trying to walk through clear plastic or glass - it looks like large black spots on the eyes, distinct from the pseudo-pupils - which can in cases turn necrotic and is quite a nasty way for your mantis to die.

I hope this post was helpful and informative, and please don't hesitate to ask any questions or add to the knowledge given here if you have any other tips or advice.

References: https://zookeys.pensoft.net/article/12542/


r/mantids • • Sep 28 '22

ID Help A Quick Reference Guide to Wild Praying Mantises of the United States

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r/mantids • • 7h ago

Image/Video Happy gotcha day

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Got my little girl a year ago


r/mantids • • 7h ago

Image/Video molt timelapse

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was able to get a full timelapse of my mele, my female giant asian going into her adult molt


r/mantids • • 8h ago

Image/Video why did it do this?

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i was watching over it on the bike path to make sure it didn't get run over and i was there for a while and eventually it crawled towards me. and then i realized it was following me? no matter what direction i went it started approaching me. even appeared to be staring me in the eye

why did it do that. was it trying to eat me or my shoe? would it have been fine to let it crawl on me. i was afraid of biting or not being able to get it off. or if it flew at me/got stuck in my hair

either way it was cute (a bit unnerving. ive never had a bug actively pursue me) and i miss it


r/mantids • • 7h ago

Image/Video devils flower<3

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finally got my hands on my dream species about a month ago, she’s doing amazing so far


r/mantids • • 2h ago

Health Issues Is it normal for mantids to look ROUGH after they molt? Mine just molted and she is very pale and deflated but she wouldn’t eat

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She also lost a leg during the molt but she is a juvenile so i read that they can regrow them later?


r/mantids • • 8h ago

ID Help My ghost molted 🥹

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r/mantids • • 1d ago

Memes/Humor VERY scary

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I made this video a while ago and never thought to post it here, so here’s fae my i3 orchid mantis 🩷🥹


r/mantids • • 2h ago

Health Issues Help

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Is she alive? Do i abandon hope or try reviving her i gave her a little bit of honey and he twitches but shes very weak


r/mantids • • 1d ago

RIP ❤️ Jet Pack

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My beautiful Jet Pack passed away of old age today. Her birthday is November 1st. She unfortunately did not make it til then. She was a big, beautiful, sassy bug. She's the first mantis I raised from baby to adulthood. I've learned a lot and am grateful I was able to call her a friend. She will be very missed. Rest easy JP ❤️


r/mantids • • 13h ago

Sex related question Our pretty girl (?)

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Persephone is an L3/4 Pseudocreobotra Wahlbergii


r/mantids • • 1d ago

Image/Video Photos of my adult male Phyllocrania paradoxa!

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My first mantis is still going strong, always thankful to the people who helped me on this page when I was starting out with him 🖤 Mr Maserati has been a lovely dream, got me through the brutal wake up call of having my own house 🥹

Happy 3rd month of being a big boy Mr Mas!


r/mantids • • 1d ago

Image/Video Today on my patio I found this guy. The intricate detail of his camouflaged body amazes me.

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r/mantids • • 1d ago

Image/Video Sobek and Plissken

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My babies


r/mantids • • 1d ago

ID Help Mystery Mantis in England

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r/mantids • • 21h ago

Feeding Help

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I came to check on my mantis babies when I seen one of them got ahold of a bug, I think it must’ve gotten in the enclosure yesterday without me seeing- I was hanging out with them outside, but now I’m a little worried, will it be okay?? I’ve read some things about outside bugs
This bug was small and beetle like?


r/mantids • • 22h ago

Sex related question First time Spiney Owner, is my precious one a female or male?

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I am assuming she is a female, but I wanted to double check with the experts. Thank you in advance!


r/mantids • • 1d ago

Image/Video Hello from West Virginia

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r/mantids • • 1d ago

RIP ❤️ Sleep well my wispy woo

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I’m going to miss you staring at me on my desk, you were the most friendliest mantis I could ever ask for.

My room is going to be so empty without you. No other mantis could ever replace you. You always cheered me up on my worst days.

I hope you sleep well and fly free my little wisp ❤️


r/mantids • • 1d ago

Image/Video Found this cutie on the birdbath in my backyard yesterday

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I love that I got to see it cleaning it's arms 🥺


r/mantids • • 1d ago

Health Issues Trying to a saved Chinese Mantis New Hampshire

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I’m new to the bug hobby and recently caugut this beautiful large Chinese Mantis, but he isn’t moving much, his abdomen looks flat, and something is odd about the end of his abdomen. dunno if it’s a parasite or just a cut open wound.

He is barely moving. to the point where I’ve put him on his back like this and all he does is gently sway his legs.

please help


r/mantids • • 1d ago

Other Injured Carolina Mantis - Ok to keep?

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Pretty sure I ID'ed her(?) correctly! I found this little one outside with an injured arm (she cannot open it, which inhibits her climbing and eating as far as I can see), not entirely sure how old she is or what the sex is. Should I hold onto her, at least temporarily, or keep her or is that wrong? Also if anyone can age/sex her lmk :)


r/mantids • • 23h ago

Feeding Help please with fruit fly cultures

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r/mantids • • 1d ago

Image/Video Wild Carolina mantis switching colors

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First picture is from when I first found her and the second is from today while she was molting (which was successful)

So insanely cool to watch