This is and older pic the “can” on the 11-87 is just a bottle I slipped on it to look sorta like the movie prop planning on making it for real once the nfa changes are finalized

Here’s my AP5. Honestly, no regrets so far about not purchasing an actual HK. I’ve been enjoying my clone a lot. However, I’ve never actually held a real HK, so I can’t really compare the two.

16" .223 wylde build with huxwrx 556 ti

Zastava PAP M92 with Dead Air Nomad 30

4.5" 9mm build with huxwrx 9k ti

Finally acquired an ISM-V for the project.

Always been a fan of German hammer-fired guns since I played Rainbow Six and saw that classic HK USP on the cover of the box.

Since then I have been able to get myself a little family of German compact handguns that I love all equally for different reasons.

I will always prefer a DA/SA hammer-fired handguns over all else as they are what I have been raised off them growing up..
On that note, the golden-age of those pistols were the 90s/early 00s (before Glock came along and changed the entire handgun game with the striker-fired design), and the kings of those DA/SA hammer-fired designs, for me, will always be HK and Sig Sauer. Something about the aesthetics of their slides and frames made my brain tingle since I have seen them for the first time.

So here is what is here and what I think of each:

Sig Sauer SP2022 9mm
My first handgun, and honestly one of my favorite pistols for many many different reasons, but the one that is above all else is the price and affordability of this thing. It is at most, about half the price of a P226/229 or USP Compact, and about 2/3 the price of a P2000, yet it has all of the features of the P229 including controls, just with a polymer frame. That is really it. You are getting P229 for half the price...

Trigger is awesome and smooth, outside of a strange false-reset click that you might notice if you are very very slowly creeping off the trigger after a shot. Most of the parts outside of the outer shell of the actual grip/frame are made out of metal, which is a plus over the P2000, which uses polymer all over the place.

No matter what people tell me, this is Sig Sauer greatest polymer framed handgun, and it is a huge shame that is got discontinued last year. There was so much potential to explore with the Sig Pro line of polymer framed DA/SA hammer-fired handguns...but it never came to pass.

Still very easy to find however, and still very affordable. Seriously one of the best quality handguns or firearms you can get for the money...only other one I can say gives you this much bang-for-the-buck out of the box is a Beretta 92...

Sig Sauer P229 Enhanced Elite 9mm
Yea so I got my SP2022 first because I was a poor-poor when shopping for my first handgun. Years later I got the heirloom (to me) version of the SP2022, and the pistol it pretty much is the budget version of...the P229. I really don't know what to say about this thing that has not been said, but the entirety of Sig Sauer's pistol reputation before recent events was built on top of the P226/8/9. Even recent events cannot really tarnish the reputation of reliability, safety, and capability of the P22X series of Sig Sauer pistols.

So what makes this better than the SP2022?

The biggest thing is that it has an all metal construction with the grip/frame being constructed out of aluminum alloy compared to the polymer of the SP2022. Also the frame on the Enhanced Elite is the extended beavertail one to held with a better hold and comfort.

It also includes a Short Reset Trigger on the Enhanced Elite, which makes the single-action reset very short and very crisp.

The entire thing feels nice, and honestly after getting it, my desires to get a 2011 went down substantially.

HK P2000 V3 9mm

So the last one I want to talk about is the HK P2000 V3, the V3 meaning that it has a trigger mechanism that is DA/SA with a decocker (so just like all the other pistols here).

When I was going to get my first pistol, it was going to be this one, before I saw the price after all the taxes and fees, then I looked elsewhere and saw the SP2022.

Later down the line I got my hands on this P2000 V3 that I always wanted and there are definitely things about this pistol that may justify the price over an SP2022.

First and foremost, the thing about the P2000 that I like over both the SP2022 and the P229, is the compact nature of the whole pistol compared to the Sig's, which goes along with allow it to have a better hold for my smaller hands.

What I mean here is that if you look at the picture, you can see that the frame of the P2000 is not as thick in both width and height compared to the Sig Sauers. This allows the bore-axis to be lower on the HK, along with the ergonomics just feeling better and closer to a Glock. I absolutely love handling this handgun!

This along with the recoil spring system being a captured one with a buffer, this allows the HK P2000 to feel like better shooter for many people.

Now things that irk me about this HK are two things, the use of polymer on so many different parts and the feel of the trigger. The polymer use on this pistol is very extensive, like the slide stop lever is polymer, the hammer is polymer, mag release lever is polymer, and even the trigger is polymer. Just was a bit weird to me, and it probably is not even an issue.
What I will say is the HK's polymer is second to none, period. They make the best polymer anywhere, and the feel of it without a doubt feels more solid than any other polymer I have felt on any firearm.

On top of that, the trigger feel on the V3 is very average and maybe even bad, especially for the double action pull. The double action trigger pull is already pretty heavy on the P2000, but it also is not smooth as it seems to get noticeably heavier as you get closer to the break, along with it having a very long travel distance getting to the wall. The SP2022's trigger in comparison feels smooth with a smooth travel and consistent weight through the entire double action pull.

But I absolutely love this thing, and I am very happy that I picked one up when I had the chance.

So yea...heres to some German hammer-fired handguns!

What's your take on them and what you got?

Followup to this thread

It took a couple months, but SOLGW did send 2 replacement barrels out of a different batch.

SOLGW SPR

These barrels are supposedly polygonal rifled, and some goontubers claimed they were the best performing barrels on the market. Seems surprising given their price point and that SOLGW supposedly warranties them against wear for life, meaning you get freebies when you shoot one out. Forever?

Some goontubers claimed the magic P3 rifling makes a better seal with no sharp corners, makes them easier to clean, makes them work across more bullet weights.

In reality-land, they have sharp lands just like any barrel does. It is true that there are only 3 of them, but the fouling that came out of the first set was so atrocious and the copper fouling build up on the edge of the lands was so shocking that it is hard to believe any of the benefits.

And the first two couldn't stabilize/group 55gr ammo.

The First Two

Both of the first two were extremely ugly barrels. Not at all like a precision bore.

Non-lapped

Burr gas port

Packed full of dry crud

As ugly as the BCA barrel tested earlier in the series

Rough chamber too

I would rate this a 1/10 bore. The only reason they didn't get a 0 is that they didn't have major visible defects.

Both of them were this way - even though they were sent from different distributors.

They also BOTH had ejection issues. The chamber was so rough that the brass would stick and I had to hammer them out using the charging handle - damaging my bag riders. :(

I tried cleaning them before shooting but it was fruitless. I have never seen a barrel produce so much black crud and not make any progress on reduction. Eventually I gave up and shot them.

After the test, they were copper fouled pretty badly, attesting to the poor quality bore.

The Second Two

These might have come from an entirely different planet.

All of the roughness is gone, but the rifling design is the same.

Still burred gas block, but not as bad as the first one. Its almost as if these had been fired a fair bit for precision before being sent my way because they came new out of the box with the early stages of gas port erosion.

Another bore shot showing them to not be hand lapped, but possibly some degree of machine lapping.

However, still not precision barrels. Here you can see the crooked cut throat against the other side.

Again, both barrels had identical bores, nearly identical crooked chambers.

Barrel Omega had a preference for Hornady's secant ogive bullets (.39 v .45 MR), while barrel Alpha had a preference for Sierra's tangent ogive bullets (0.485 v .381).

Why would two identical barrels prefer different bullets? The secret is in the throat. While they both had throat reaming flaws, but Omegas was off-center, while Alpha's was off-angle.

Being off center likely favors secant ogive bullets because they are thrust into the lands at a fixed angle (parallel to the bore) and only displaced into the center of the bore, while being off angle favors tangent ogive bullets because they self-align in the bore. Self aligning by angle correction is good when the angle is off, but if displaced, pushes the bullet out of correct angle.

But that's speculation, either way - one liked one, the other like the other.

Bores on these, I would rate a 7/10.

But that's not the end of the story. While I did not have any ejection issues, I did have feed issues with both barrels and all ammo types.

I suspect this to be due to the feed ramps having unbroken burs that you can see were grabbing the jacket of bullets going up the feed ramps. Most barrel makers break those sharp corners to prevent that issue.

They also weren't... attractive. Look at the dimpling nipple, weird extra ring scoring and finish issues - again, both barrels had similar burnishing or wearing off of the blackening.

New Barrel Results

Alpha's test target

Omega's test target

These barrels did okay. Both of them laid down some decent performance with small ES groups, but both had some curious habit of being diffuse rather than centering. Odd distribution from these.

Really remarkable how similar the barrel performance was - to within 2-hundredths of an MR MOA.

/u/MrSandwich69 selected, and I also recommended, taking Omega back as his pick of the batch in return for lending me one. Even though it had a slightly higher average group size and MR, it grouped smaller discarding the one match ammo least likely to be used and had the best performance across the 77gr class.

Best 2x10 by grain class

4x10 across all ammo

Conclusion

Good v Bad Buys

Good v Bad Buys, all ammo

Good v Bad Buys by Weight

Good v Bad Buys by Weight, all ammo

I don't think there is any category that these are a recommended buy, let alone a top choice.

At $350, that is an atrocious value.

Both barrels performed worse than the recently tested Rosco Purebred at a little over half the price of these SOLGW barrels.

Both barrels performed worse than the Criterion Core barrel that was a little more than half their weight.

I think all of this are systemic characteristics of SOLGW - not having barrels on hand, not being hands-on with the barrel process, and allowing these types of quality issues while the price of the barrels keep climbing - now at or even over $400 from some retailers with tax/ship.

Why did some goontubers glaze the moon about them? Who knows, that is up to you to speculate how they got the barrels. But even the honest ones, I suspect their early barrels were very different animals than the barrels than came out of the at least two, maybe three, different batches that I tested.

Next up on the docket is an FN vs Hodge test. Place bets now on whether some magic mystery metal and 'Hodge controls the specs' makes it perform any differently.

Aero everything minus BCG, which is BCM. Leupold MK3 4-12x TMR illuminated scope. Multicam Arid B5 stock and grip. Will be adding a piggyback mount & FDE dot at some point soon.

Hey guys. I have a pcc and I’m experiencing some case expansion. Photo 1 and 2 is white box Winchester 115g and 3 and 4 is blazer 115g. Shooting itself is no issue it cycles fine. I did notice the casings are being ejected about 15-20 feet away from where I’m standing. Anyone have any ideas?

The magazine is about 3”x1”x6” (LxWxH) and has a silver follower. It’s wrapped in this brown material that looks like a gauze bandage. I think the magazine is polymer and it is straight, no curvature. 30rd mil-spec metal mag for reference.

More pictures of the mystery magazine in the Imgur link

https://imgur.com/gallery/magazine-identification-MRnGj4H

Performance center 637

Hi,

I see people on Instagram or YouTube Shorts able to use a revolver or a pistol out 25-50 yards and hit their mark. I struggle to even land on the paper with a handgun at 50 yards. Granted, I only own handguns with no optic but I still do see people able to consistently land handgun shots out to 25-35 yards with iron sights easily.

What am I doing wrong? How do I train to shoot better without wasting ammo doing the same thing over and over?

Hello, I am from Kosovo (a small country in Europe), I am about to purchase my first gun ever. I am 33 years old, I got my license.

The prices here are extreme compared to the US, but since I have already decided that I will spend a thousand euros, I would love to get some opinion from you guys, since I am a total noob.

So far, I liked these guns:

Beretta 92fs - 1400 euro

Canik TP9 SF - 1200 euro

CZ P10F OR - 1350 euro

Stoeger Cougar 8045 - 1000 euro

Stoeger STR 9 - 1000 euro

They all brand new, come with the box and their warrantys.

We have very strict laws, I am mostly purchasing it because I always loved to have a gun and go to shooting ranges, I probably will never be able to do so many rounds as many as I see on this subreddit or people on youtube.

I would love to hear from you guys since you know better.

So my dad goes on these online auctions and got an Arsenal Model SAM7R-61 for $1000 and he got an Arsenal Model SLR-104FR for $1550. He told me he looked them up and the they go around $1700 and $2500??? He has been known to mess up and overpay at times like he did with some Nagant M1895 revolvers.

Moved to a new property a few months back. I guess the former residents were gun enthusiasts because we’re finding spent brass everywhere.

It’s been a fun little game, like the lowest stakes of archeology. My 3 year old and I spend a lot of time outside and we both enjoy getting to know the land and finding these little surprises.

These are some pretty easy ones, but feel free to guess the cartridges. I’ll post more pics of some deteriorated and less common casings as we continue to find them! Already have a whole flower pot full 💪

I absolutely love this thing! Glad I didn’t settle for anything less. Time to start training!

Build list:
-Geissele Complete Super Duty 11.5 SBR
-Sig Hexium 556 INC Suppressor
-Driven Arms Co SCG
-B5 Enhanced Sopmod
-Emissary Handbrake X
-Railscales XOS x1
-Holosun ARO MRS Green
-Edgar Sherman ESD Sling
-Streamlight ProTac 2

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So I recently purchased a mike-102 stripped lower for my first ever ar15 build. I was planning on painting it with a wolf a1t91 12.5" upper. With a triangular stock, think it will give it a cool almost Swiss SIG look.My question is parts kit compatability for this lower. Does anybody have any experience building on this platform, or maybe I am just overthinking it? Again I HAVE NEVER DONE THIS so any helpful advice is welcomed. I was also curious if anyone knows anything about 3 position frts in this host as well, as I thought that would make it a little extra fun.

Thanks for reading, and as the build continues I will post updates and pictures as I learn how to put one of these together.

I am looking to buy the Springfield echelon 4.5F COMP, but i’ve been having such a hard time finding it with the comp i’ve found it in so many different places but without the comp and everywhere i go they’re telling me it’s gonna be so hard to find it with the comp and they won’t get it in for awhile, so now im like contemplating on just settling for the non comp version but it is my first handgun so im not sure how big of a difference it is with and without comp, like it is just preference or does it really perform better with the comp ?

I think I have a type.

MCX Spear LT 9” .300BLK rocking Hux 9k Ti with Surefire Scout, factory FDE Handguard, PA slx 1x prism, and collapsing stock.

Shadow Systems XR920 w/ holosun 507

DDMK18 rocking a SciCo Velos 556, inforce light, EOTech EXPS 2-0, and a Bravo SOPMOD stock.

Add some equipment and it’s truly Assaulter Sundays.

Steven's 240 with a thin and kind of sticky white film only on the "furniture"

Interesting article in the Atlantic about today's Cuba. It had an interesting pic. Parade troops with SKS's at Castro's tomb.